• Posted on Sep 29, 2026
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Former Governor Gary Herbert Refused Wine at the White House. What Obama Did Next Surprised Him.

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At a White House dinner, Gary Herbert rose to toast President Obama, and his goblet held water. As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Utah's 17th governor would not raise wine, even in that room, and what the President did next told him his quiet witness had been seen. Gary led Utah for nearly 12 years, through wildfire, earthquake, and a pandemic, and his faith in the Lord went with him into each one.

In this episode of Why We Believe, Gary sits down with host Nathan Gwilliam to share what happened when his water goblet reached the head table, the weekend he called an entire state to fast and pray for rain, the election he lost by 35 votes and the door God opened next, and the pandemic year he calls the hardest of his political career. Through each story, Gary bears witness that the Lord blesses the do-how, not just the know-how, and that a testimony grows step by step as we take Nephi at his word and go and do. If your faith needs a place to start again, his counsel is simple: try it, work at it, and watch what the Lord does with it.

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